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More analysis by Eve Grubin on that Fence cover...
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At 9:48 PM, Blogger Gail replied:

I have been following this controversy for a while and actually just googled it & then found your link to Grubin's essay. I think it is quite good & she makes some very good points.

Something which I want to add, and I'm not saying this to sound mean but because I think it's relevant to the point is that the naked woman on the Fence cover does not have the most attractive of faces. If she were not naked would we have noticed her? I don’t think so.

I have noticed for long time that the women who tend to keep their clothes on tend to be more attractive, and the ones who are what we used to call "homely" are more likely to be taking off their clothes. Is it for attention they don't feel they could get otherwise?

I don't know but I do appreciate the link to ModestyZone, I didn't know there were women out there who publicly have taken a stand for modesty.    



At 12:54 AM, Blogger eeksypeeksy replied:

I read about it when it came out, but I haven't been following the discussion. I'm a bit lazy. And I'm wishy-washy about things like this. There are people who do nothing but think about women, and, depending on who I might ask, they could probably sway me to believe the Fence cover was just a hoot or that it was evil and exploitive or that it was a bit of both. All I know absolutely about nekkid women is that they sure are purdy.

It is certain (to me anyway) that the high sales of that issue were thanks to people noticing the only pair of breasts among all the vague covers of the other poetry magazines. Getting people to hold the product is a giant step to selling the product.

And though they should have known better, probably a good number of the buyers bought it because (consciously or not, and whatever their sexual orientation) they hoped for something a little sexier (and more interesting) than the usual poetry magazine.

So the magazine certainly exploited the image of a naked woman to make money. But I can't say whether the model alone or women as a group were hurt by the image. I'd have to know more about the woman to guess anything about her. As for women, I have a hard time imagining how that one picture could make things any worse for anyone in any significant way, but who knows? Maybe a few people thought, "Well, fuck it, now even a serious poetry magazine run by a serious woman editor says it's ok to slobber over titty shots and to use naked women to sell stuff and [etc.]. I give up. No more objection. I was wrong. If any of my students are looking for me, tell 'em I'll be correcting papers at Hooters all afternoon."

As for that appearance of that particular model: I don't think I remember what she looks like. I remember two larges breasts squeezed under her forearms. And maybe a pierced lip or eye -- I think I remember some metal. Yes, I just went and checked. I remembered the breasts and metal. The look-at-me attributes. Which I did, of course, look at.

Oh, it's late and I should be trying to reason with myself about this stuff.    



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